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You must play the Skate-O-Rama sequence on a PC with at least 500 MHz. No patches or CPU slowing tools allowed.
Everytime you die, you have to drink a shot.
 
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There's a lot of qualified opinion and nuanced conclusions going on in this forum at the moment.
 
I don't like it.

When has Anita ever demanded that someone's speech be squelched, particularly with reference to a game's content?
 
Some people always say she "forces her opinion down your throat," but YouTube doesn't work that way. You have to go and look at the video yourself, of your own volition.

Objectively, it is indeed a very pretty game to look at. But, again, I think it's a bit too colourful. Much like SQ6 is a bit too cartoony for me. SQ5 remains my favourite game, but I've really grown to think of the high-res (compared to AGI, at least) EGA of SQ3 as the definitive look for the series.

Are you now also unable to read, Mr. Neekburm? I stated that the VGA version is something I "like". Then went on to state why I still prefer EGA. I don't know why you took offence - it isn't a Guys from Andromeda game. It might say so on the box, but it isn't. I was stating a fact that affects my impression of the game.
 
You are able to judge the VGA version however the fuck you want no matter what I think of it. I don't know who "we" are, so kindly relay that message to the rest of them.
 
Sometimes it's as if some of you guys are deliberately trying to stir up shit. I don't know why, but can you go duke it out somewhere else and then come back when your voices have dropped?

I like VGA, but it's not a Two Guys from Andromeda game. It's a Bunch of Random Guys from Korea game. That takes some of the glitter off it. So I went with "No", even though I'm not sure you can even answer the question you posed with a no. Whatever - you sure as hell aren't getting a "Yes".
 
Also, 4chan called. They want their posting style back.

I go into this post fully realizing that my reaction may be disproportionate indeed, but the above quote is such a blatant strawman that honestly I am no longer surprised this thread has become as drawn out as it is.
 
In the same breath you claim that feminists do not speak for most women while also making the blanket statement "feminists want to pathologize being male", completely missing the point that actual feminism represents equality for the sexes and not some totalitarian matriarchy where everything male is forbidden. You might rightfully have a beef with individual journalists and YouTube pundits that use a hot-button issue to get views/hits/ad revenue, etc., but to use your disagreement as a sweeping generalization of everything the world of feminism represents, as well as to dismiss any notion of maybe toning down the blatant cheesecake factor in the gaming industry, misses the forest for the trees.

Objectively, it is indeed a very pretty game to look at. But, again, I think it's a bit too colourful. Much like SQ6 is a bit too cartoony for me. SQ5 remains my favourite game, but I've really grown to think of the high-res (compared to AGI, at least) EGA of SQ3 as the definitive look for the series.

Objectively, it is indeed a very pretty game to look at. But, again, I think it's a bit too colourful. Much like SQ6 is a bit too cartoony for me. SQ5 remains my favourite game, but I've really grown to think of the high-res (compared to AGI, at least) EGA of SQ3 as the definitive look for the series.

"Hey, Scott! A whooping  have said they prefer the VGA remake of SQ1!" :D
 
Yup, WilcoGate coming!

"Hey, Scott! A whooping five people have said they prefer the VGA remake of SQ1!"
 
Yeah, I can feel WilcoGate coming... ;)

It's not even the fact that the Two Guys did not work on it that bothers me the most. I'm not that adamant about the original creators always having the final say. Sometimes, bringing in other people can be a good thing - "Star Wars" is probably the best example. But I do think it sucks that they weren't even told anything about the project. There's just no explanation for that, other than someone wanting to spite Scott and Mark. They had no chance at all to approve anything related to the game, so it makes sense to me that they'd disown it.
 
I think it's fair enough to let that sour my impression of the game, to a degree where I prefer the original one. It's not as if I want the remake to be forgotten or anything. But I would actually like to see a sanctioned remake by the Two Guys themselves, assuming they could make it more interesting than LSL:R.

I'm surprised to see so many (well, okay, two) people going with the first one. I agree with everything said about it. It's a brilliant piece of sci-fi storytelling. Some of the effects obviously betray the shoestring budget, but the film is so good on the whole that it never matters. It's such a shame James Cameron descended into CGI nonsense and never came back, because he used to be brilliant.
 
I also like Terminator 2, but the extended version is far superior to the theatrical cut. If you haven't watched that version, do it. You won't regret it.

Yes, there's a distinction between assuming the outsourcing affected the game and knowing that it did. We're in the latter camp.

Not all outsourced stuff is shit (as Brandon shows with Monkey Island) and not all of it is out of step with the original team. This just so happened to be.

Prejudice is where you assume something based on stereotype. In this case the accusation fits the reality. It could have all been done in house and been equally out of step with the rest of the series; or outsourced and captured Mark's style seamlessly.

But, anyway. I like the VGA version, but I also feel like it didn't feel like "proper" SQ. Someone here said it was like a fan game, and I'd go with that. Having discovered the series via SQ2 (which my dad bought based on playing SQ1), I prefer the parser and keyboard interface, as well as the overall feel of the original.

Didn't realise it was drawn in Korea. Ultimately, I think it's a but of a diversion. It's simply another example of how it was a) not Scott and Mark and b) done to maximise profit. Which I think was The Two Danes from Danedromeda's original issue that started the bun fight.

Nowt wrong with any of what Sierra did, by the way. Just makes me think a little less of it (personally) as an overall package.
 

Well, I wrote it, so at least hear me out here - confused non-native English speaker asshole or not. Brandon pretty much nailed most of what I meant, so I won't repeat that. But outsourcing it was no doubt also going to make it cheaper. As far as I remember, the KQ1 remake sold poorly and was criticised by people who favoured the original. As good as certain aspects of the Space Quest remake are, it was a money grab that purported to be designed by the Two Guys. And by that, I am referring to the redesigned game and not the original design.
 
And if I must provide more "valid" criticism (I know we've been there, but seriously - we spent weeks reading bitching and moaning about every little bit of SpaceVenture criticism being valid) than that to be able to not love the game, I will say that while I don't the VGA graphics are bad, they don't match the look of the rest of the classic games in the series. It's all a bit overly colourful and garish to me, even if the 1950's B-movie angle was indeed interesting. The copy protection and CPU timer issues are also annoying, but granted, they are not problems exclusive to this game. But the look and feel is just "off" to me, with the exception of the awesome music.
 
tl;dr You'll probably still think I'm a racist and Fronzel will probably "overlook" that I praised a couple of aspects of the game above and will have to write that I'm being silly again.

Yes, it's lazy. And no it's not mockery. "Random" implies somebody or some people not invested in the project without any emotional attachment to the product just doing something for money. He/she/they don't really care beyond their paycheck. "Koreans" implies just how far removed from Sierra these people are. They're not just not a part of the same company or the same city, they're in another country altogether! Maybe they don't even do artwork exclusively for video games. So yes, "random Koreans" applies without being racist.
 
I just don't agree that the style isn't consistent. I'm pretty sure, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, Mark Crowe was involved with the art direction in every Space Quest game if not doing the art himself, except for maybe SQ6. But VGA's direction sticks out the most of all of them. SQ6 is a lot closer than VGA's to the rest of the series.
 
When it all comes down, the Two Guys didn't sign off on anything. Would Mark sign off on that artwork for the remake or would he go in a different direction? Maybe we should ask him.

Oh come on. Don't start that. It has nothing to do with them being Korean. Their artwork is quite fantastic, actually. It has everything to do with them not being Sierra in-house staff and not matching the vibe of the rest of the series. Actually, the fault really lies with Ken Williams and the art director(s) who signed off on it. It's not because "they're Korean". It just shows how lazy Sierra was in developing the game.

I love both and they're pretty different styles really... at the time I preferred 2 and it had a big
impact on me when I was a kid, but if I had to choose now I may end up going with 1 just because
it's so raw and direct.

I prefer 1. A nice, nasty slice of apocalyptic 1980s no future dystopia. Also a role model for how to make a great action film on a tiny budget.
 
#2 is pretty good too. That is one of the few films I can think of that uses CGI in a meaningful way (by using it for special effects that would be quite impossible to pull off with regular visual effects).

The difference between SQ1VGA and Hurt is that Johnny Cash (or his people) asked Reznor's permission to cover it, which he granted. And as you've said, he really liked it. Two important factors that aren't mirrored in this scenario.

Christ on a bike...
 
Nobody said that the only reason they didn't like SQ1 was because of Scott and Mark not being involved. It was just the one point they made in the thread before moving on.
 
So you're not "just sayin'" about there needing to be more valid criticism (because nobody claimed or denied that). You're just shit stirring.
 
But, hey. You're edgy. You speak your mind. You're not going to kowtow to what "the man" says you're supposed to behave like. Manners are for squares. For mealy mouthed sheeple. You talk. You bring the truth. You say what needs to be said, because it needs to be said. You are: Fronzel Neekburm.
 
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I like VGA, but it's not a Two Guys from Andromeda game. It's a Bunch of Random Guys from Korea game. That takes some of the glitter off it. So I went with "No", even though I'm not sure you can even answer the question you posed with a no. Whatever - you sure as hell aren't getting a "Yes".
 
Also, 4chan called. They want their posting style back.

Judge it however you want. I judge it the same way as I would judge someone who went in and re-recorded Sgt. Pepper's without consulting The Beatles first.

Of course you can judge the game on its own merits, but if you're a fan of Scott and Mark's work it will colour your overall impression of it. Don't be so obtuse.