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I've gotta give them some major props for still doing a shout-out for Larry after what happened. Now that's class. :wub: :y:

I've gotta give them some major props for still doing a shout-out for Larry after what happened. Now that's class. :wub: :y:

This was a good update too since, I felt, Chris's character shines through. He really is a class act. Looks like he knows when to get the whip out too ;). On the other hand... who's this Space Quest Historiaflopamajig? What's his handle? He (or is it a she? Can't tell with all that hair) sounds like some random brown-noser wet behind the ears trying to muscle in on something he doesn't have any experience in just for the money and the kicks. I bet he's never even played Space Quest! I call for public lynching! B)

I heard from the horse's ass himself that the 250K units was how many keys he gave out to retailers. I have absolutely no idea on the number actually sold.
 
On a related note, I'm glad to have cut ties with him when I did. As Spikey said, Polyester Paul is death by association. I wouldn't care less if he was vindictive enough to pull my testing credits. I still want my star kept intact, though. I paid good money for it. I know Jeroen sent Al an e-mail and I plan on doing one myself. He needs to "break the chain" and pull free himself. I've got way too much respect for the ol' guy to see anything happen to his good name.

Fronzel is right. The people that Paul banned were people who donated their blood, sweat and tears to the game. They donated tens of thousands of dollars worth of cash, free labor, free promotions, moderating and trying to make himself better by making everyone else look worse. I know for a fact that Tom King himself did several months of programming and debugging. That's the kind of thing they pay programmers $5,000+ a month for.
 
It boils down to ethics. How you present yourself as a person reflects on the company. I myself didn't even get an official reason for being banned. I just was. I mean c'mon -- you're saying "well, he didn't kill anyone". No, but he tried to destroy one project then proceeded to try to rip SpaceVenture because Scott and Mark didn't join up with ReplayGames. Everything he did was to screw over other people and help himself.
 
Paul should not be given a pass on this. There's no reason for us to give it to him. Josh saw fit enough to leave. Al should design the next game without Paul. The one thing we don't need is a small Larry wannabe trying to hurt other adventure games in the series. When you talk about hurting the Larry franchise, what you don't take into account is that Paul is trying to hurt other adventure games franchises that we love. So sometimes it's a trade off, and we all know Spock's saying in Star Trek II, where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

@PurpleTentacle
 
I'd agree with you, were it not for the fact that this bunch of people you mentioned pumped - literally! - thousands of dollars into the game, worked as moderators for Replay and did all sorts of free labor (artworks, beta testing and such). All that rewarded with a great big "Fuck you!", just because they dared to point out that someone is making a complete ass of himself. (Bear in mind that I consider myself mostly a neural party in this. Yes, I was also thrown out of the forum - presumably because I posted an animated gif of a guy munching on a bag of popcorn (!) - but I was nowhere near as involved in either the forums or the actual game as most of the other banned parties were.) Imagine if you had been the one who basically had given a year of his life to the project. Wouldn't you agree that this goes quite a bit beyond bruised egos and delves into the realm of, shall we say, exploitation?
 

That and, you know,...
 
- threatening Wisecrack with a lawsuit even though they had Al's permission
- causing a shitstorm obout this in the gaming press, claiming that it was Al who wants to sue
- impersonating Josh in one of the updates
- attempting to sabotage other people's kickstarters
- revealing rather intimate details about Scott Murphy's private life in this very forum in some desperate attempt to make himself look good
- leaking other companies' delicate information to the press
- the numerous instances of cyber-bullying
 
and so on and so forth. I agree about the inappropriate and rude part, though.
 
As for news about these recent developments hitting the Steam forums: Since it was the community who is basically responsible for getting this game on Steam in the first place (via the greenlighting process), I'd call it a classic case of poetic justice. Still, I had hoped that this would happen in a somewhat more refined and articulate way. People deserve to know what's going on, but I'm afraid just pasting a link to these forums might do more harm than good. But it looks like it's been removed anyway.
 
Sorry for not letting this topic rest (as I had promised earlier), but like I said a few pages ago: people ought to know why this is a big deal.

Registered just to add that this is major asshattery and I wont forget or let it go.
 
Treat fans like shit? BAD. Treat other people in the same business like shit? BAD.
Treat someone who is both a friend and a dedicated fan like shit? Ultrabad.
 
I will be way more caucios as to what I back in the future so my money wont come near things like this. (if you are looking for games to remake please consider Indiana Jones and the fate of the Atlantis or Arcanum)
 

I wrote this little thing up in support on my Facebook page. Thought I'd leave it here:

You handled that really well, Serena. Props to you. By the way, not only does Paul look like Leisure Suit Larry but he's way more inept than him too. (go ahead Paul. I'm a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. You try to kick me in the nuts and you'll see what happens).
 
The last ten days have reminded me that we as a community do need to stay together and tough through all of this. We know and love games together (LSL, SQ, PQ, KQ, etc.) and we all want to see these adventures succeed. The problem is when people who are bitter, vindictive and cruel (like Paul) let the power go to their heads. I will not respect any man who would be so petty, so trite, so banal and hoary as Paul to stop us from making the games and supporting the people who make them great just because he thinks he can do it and anyone who disagrees with him is automatically a loser.
 
We should pull Paul like a rotten tooth and replace him with the permanent dental implants, people like Jeroen or Tom, who not only have a clear direction for the games but a passion for making them as good as they can. That doesn't mean we should pull people like Al, Josh, Scott or Mark. They are all good solid characters who still want to make games for people who remember Sierra's heyday.
 
Anyways, back to SQ and SV. :)

I wrote this little thing up in support on my Facebook page. Thought I'd leave it here:

I wrote this little thing up in support on my Facebook page. Thought I'd leave it here:

I wrote this little thing up in support on my Facebook page. Thought I'd leave it here:

I wrote this little thing up in support on my Facebook page. Thought I'd leave it here:

I heard from the horse's ass himself that the 250K units was how many keys he gave out to retailers. I have absolutely no idea on the number actually sold.
 
On a related note, I'm glad to have cut ties with him when I did. As Spikey said, Polyester Paul is death by association. I wouldn't care less if he was vindictive enough to pull my testing credits. I still want my star kept intact, though. I paid good money for it. I know Jeroen sent Al an e-mail and I plan on doing one myself. He needs to "break the chain" and pull free himself. I've got way too much respect for the ol' guy to see anything happen to his good name.

I heard from the horse's ass himself that the 250K units was how many keys he gave out to retailers. I have absolutely no idea on the number actually sold.
 
On a related note, I'm glad to have cut ties with him when I did. As Spikey said, Polyester Paul is death by association. I wouldn't care less if he was vindictive enough to pull my testing credits. I still want my star kept intact, though. I paid good money for it. I know Jeroen sent Al an e-mail and I plan on doing one myself. He needs to "break the chain" and pull free himself. I've got way too much respect for the ol' guy to see anything happen to his good name.

I heard from the horse's ass himself that the 250K units was how many keys he gave out to retailers. I have absolutely no idea on the number actually sold.
 
On a related note, I'm glad to have cut ties with him when I did. As Spikey said, Polyester Paul is death by association. I wouldn't care less if he was vindictive enough to pull my testing credits. I still want my star kept intact, though. I paid good money for it. I know Jeroen sent Al an e-mail and I plan on doing one myself. He needs to "break the chain" and pull free himself. I've got way too much respect for the ol' guy to see anything happen to his good name.

I heard from the horse's ass himself that the 250K units was how many keys he gave out to retailers. I have absolutely no idea on the number actually sold.
 
On a related note, I'm glad to have cut ties with him when I did. As Spikey said, Polyester Paul is death by association. I wouldn't care less if he was vindictive enough to pull my testing credits. I still want my star kept intact, though. I paid good money for it. I know Jeroen sent Al an e-mail and I plan on doing one myself. He needs to "break the chain" and pull free himself. I've got way too much respect for the ol' guy to see anything happen to his good name.

I heard from the horse's ass himself that the 250K units was how many keys he gave out to retailers. I have absolutely no idea on the number actually sold.
 
On a related note, I'm glad to have cut ties with him when I did. As Spikey said, Polyester Paul is death by association. I wouldn't care less if he was vindictive enough to pull my testing credits. I still want my star kept intact, though. I paid good money for it. I know Jeroen sent Al an e-mail and I plan on doing one myself. He needs to "break the chain" and pull free himself. I've got way too much respect for the ol' guy to see anything happen to his good name.

Your reports of Telltale's forum death are, as always, greatly exaggerated. ;)
 
I actually wish some subforums were a little less lively these days...
 
 
 

The adventure-treff news item is absolutely objective. That's why it's so short. I personally carried the news into their forum four days ago, and I certainly wasn't particularly objective.
 
 
 

Indeed, that is the way to go. The reaction of the adventure game community has to be disimpassioned, and there has to be just one voice. There must not be any kind of mob mentality, there must not be any kind of outrage. I don't think the single 'I want to get banned for insults too' kind of posts in the replay forums serve any purpose. Of course, not only the two guys were attacked, but the community as well, and that's where it gets really hairy. But it just means time to shine with reason, dignity and profound sadness over last week's proceedings.

Paul just must have not believed that he needed the community to succeed. What a wake up call this must have been. Or if he's still deluded enough to think otherwise, he'll find out soon enough. It's true, this really is too niche of a market and without community support to make it happen (and we could have made it happen) you're doomed to failure. You can't just treat your fanbase like crap and expect to make a profit or even break even if you're not a AAA developer.

Great! I'm working on my notes now and will try to grab a friend to run the camera this weekend. Knowing the way that I think, it'll be sappiness interlaced with bad jokes. Should be perfect for the video.
 
And I'm also planning a little "thank-you" to Scott, Mark, and Chris on Facebook as well.

I agree with the idea for a petition. Our mails to Codemasters would probably have been dismissed anyway as a handful of fans venting their anger over getting thrown out of a forum. They probably get mails like that all the time. A petition would give us the opportunity to truly stand together in this, make people realise who was involved, why this is such a great deal and get noticed.

Make the petition and I'll sign it.
 
By the way (this will probably be my last post about this matter, I'd like to talk about SQ), if you trot over to Mr. Trowe's forums, you'll find the number of posts are currently 6,281. Last week it was over 8,500. So all the people he banned accounted for over a quarter of all the posts. Talk about a real class act.

I was talking with Tom earlier about the petition and I'm behind it 100%.

It really isn't about feeling screwed over, it's sad the way Paul reacted to all of this, but I'm still happy I was involved with everyone else during this project. It's more about the adventure game community being 1 big front (as everyone showed over the last week). We all gathered behind the SV project as we couldnt sit back and let someone tarnish the hard work they are putting into this. As everyone has stated before, we will block any attempt coming from Mr Trowe for another adventure game. So if we are all trying to bring this genre back and are this big front, it cant hurt to contact CodeMasters to let them know how we all feel, regardless if you're a SQ/PQ/KQ/GK/QfG or Larry fan. I think we all want this genre to succeed in this gaming market. That's the main reason I stopped my involvement with Replay Games. I didnt want to sit by and let someone hurt the community.
 
I guess what I'm saying is that together we can make a stand. Just like we all did when Paul posted on KS. Lets at least contact CodeMasters to let them know how we as an adventure game community feel about Paul's involvement. It's not about Larry, it's about adventure games in general.