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Note Ken Allen's subtle "positive and nothing but fun" comment ;)

 

I'm not trying to incite a riot, or anything. I just think that news like this should be covered so we know what the history is- that Replay wanted 2Guys, that they didn't sign on board, and so forth.

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Ken Allen is doing the music? This is just getting better and better!

 

Not confirmed yet...but he is being interviewed on the next podcast and has said himself he would love to work on the new space venture - citing some of his best work being on Space Quest.

 

Lets hope they get Ken on board!

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Wow, you kids really like to just make stuff up, don't you? So, considering all of you don't know any of the real facts about what's been going on, why don't you just ask Scott Murphy why a) they canceled Space Quest 7 B) why him and pretty much everybody at Sierra fell out of grace with Scott except myself and Leslie Balfour c) when nobody in the entire world would talk to him, I hosted him at my house in Austin, Texas and paid for him to go skydiving because he didn't have the funds d) protected him from this woman named Elizaberh Whitener who was trying to exploit him while he was in Austin, and e) personally encouraged Scott to make amends with Mark, Robin Bradley, and pretty much everybody else he ruined his personal relationships with.

 

So while you continue to bash me with no evidence at all, just pure conjecture, know this: I'm the one who told Scott he should get back together with Mark and do another Space Quest. Suddenly I never hear from him and the next thing I know I'm getting a cease and desist letter from someone I helped pull out of the gutter, LITERALLY.

 

Go ahead, rant and rave about me. I realize you guys have nothing better to do, but those are the facts. If you want me to go on a Pod Cast with either one or both of them I'm perfectly willing to do that. This will be my only post.

 

It's very easy to take cheap shots at somebody behind their back, and it's also pretty low.

 

If anybody knows me, they know what kind of person I am and how altruistic my intentions are. So go ahead, poke all the fun you want....

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Dang, dude. Part of me wants to apologize for any unfair accusations made about you*. But then I go and re-read your post. I think I understand why Scott and Mark are going it alone.

 

I just hope it's all a big misunderstanding. Best of luck to you on LSL and any other games you work on.

 

*Absolutely, if anything said above is untrue then by all means please forgive us. But this is a public forum, nobody should post here with the intent to go behind someone's back, and most of the statements made seem to be based on posts you made on Facebook, which if you wanted to keep private, probably wasn't the best place for it. Perhaps all of the statements being made in this thread are wrong - but you're still not handling it very graciously, which in turns leads to people still not thinking highly of you, etc - just saying.

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Paul, thank you for your response.

 

My two favorite Sierra series of all time have been Space Quest & Leisure Suit Larry. I have contributed to the Larry Kickstarter and am so excited about what you, Al and the rest at Replay are going to bring us.

 

This is a public forum howver and not a mud slinging match. What you posted on facebook was bound to be viewable by a number of sierra fans and questions were bound to be raised on forums like this.

 

In terms of me making the assumption that all the other guys thought you were a massive douche? Maybe I'm wrong. But my belief is that if there's bad blood between you and someone else, you keep it between yourselves and don't target them on facebook. I'm sure the general consensus amongst your colleagues was that you needed to bite your (metaphorical) tounge with the facebook comments.

 

Oh and considering Mark, Scott & Chris had a link to your kickstart page throughout the Larry campaign on their website, I think it's a pretty low blow to be posting stuff like this.

 

It saddens me greatly as a fan who wrote to Al Lowe when I was a kid to write this to a fellow Larry superfan who has played a huge part in enabling one of my favorite game franchises to come back.

 

I'm sure both Replay & Guys From Andromeda are going to both put out amazing games with their own individual charater.

 

See you in Lost Wages...

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One of the best posts I've read in years, Johnathon- kudos Sir.

 

Paul- you said you won't reply, so OK. And Johnathon has summed it up already. But since I started this topic I'll post my 2 cents. I actually like you, what you've done so far and are trying to achieve. I'm disappointed to hear your, for want of a better word, rants, given that my aim was for the air to be cleared so we could move on from accusations and quiet whispers (divisiveness in the "new Sierra" community).

 

So you know, I'm a LSL1VGA Kickstarter funder. I pledged $100 (that I don't really have, BTW), because I feel it's worth it and I love Josh and Al to pieces. They've been generous to me over the years, too.

 

So while you have them, don't waste them. This opportunity will NOT come along again.

 

I will continue to fund LSL Kickstarter projects and try to do the others. but stay positive. Stay community minded. I understand your frustrations at the Two Guys, even if I don't know the personal situations and complex machinations of your relationships, but they have made decisions and that's the reality of the game. So what's done is done. Calling names will not make you look good or professional, and it certainly won't give them incentive to sign on board with you or Replay in the future.

 

I am going to put this one down to past frustrations on your part (legitimate or otherwise) and possibly a lack of sleep due to your frenetic work on LSL1/Kickstarter, but if you're serious about a united Sierra community at some point, I probably speak for more than just myself when I say that I don't want to see a repeat. There's just nothing to be gained for you, for them, and for the fans. You've seen the comments in this thread, whether you've enjoyed them or not. They're the future of companies like Replay reviving old Sierra IP's. Listen to them.

 

I will close by saying that there have been some comments in this thread that could be construed as slanderous or offensive, and as the starter of the topic and a senior member of the Sierra community, I take responsibility for that and apologise. Because I want to see you continue to do great things with the old IP. You're the only person who has been able to get it and do something with it for 20 years. So, kudos to you, Paul. Hey, you liked a comment I made on Facebook. I can't be all bad. Let's work hand in hand to make money and (re)make some great games.

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I don't know whether it's possible, but I'd just like to suggest this thread be wiped for marketing reasons and possible incoming scrutiny in general (on behalf of all parties involved). It's gotten a bit inappropriate all-around for something near the top of the list of threads here.

 

My apologies to Paul, for my joking-insinuations -- of course I have no idea of the situation. That said, this sounds like a subject that no one should be engaged in publicly, baited with Facebook comments or otherwise, let alone forum threads. Bringing this into the public arena [for any reason], the day after the LSL Kickstarter finished, can only serve to harm Scott & Mark (and really all future Sierra-related-esque efforts).

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For my personal sake, I wouldn't like to see this page wiped. Even though we're linked to from the Guys From Andromeda website, this is still a fan forum and free opinions are encouraged.

 

As for the rest of the debacle, I stand by my sarcastic outbursts. Paul's wording in his post suggests he has no intentions of taking the high road in any of this. I'm glad to see that all of you, however, do.

 

With that said, I have said my piece and I have nothing more to add.

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I don't know whether it's possible, but I'd just like to suggest this thread be wiped for marketing reasons and possible incoming scrutiny in general (on behalf of all parties involved). It's gotten a bit inappropriate all-around for something near the top of the list of threads here.

 

Oh, hells no.

 

In all seriousness, deleting stuff like this, "covering it up", or trying to pretend things didn't happen is absolutely the wrong way to go. With social media, any comment you make on it is in the public domain. Johnathon summed it up perfectly, in my opinion. While we may not be aware of all the facts, the minute you publish your comments you make it fair game. In my opinion. Even if a lot of that speculation can be hurtful or potentially down-right libellous.

 

As I said, having read over some of the comments over previous years, I would dare to suggest that there has been a lot of bitching, squabbling and less than gentlemanly behaviour from all sides.

 

But then it would appear, and this is just an hypothesis, that these guys are humans and may be fallible. But this is unconfirmed by official sources.

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Paul, that was really awesome of you and that took balls. I'm glad to see you embrace the collaborative and reconcillatory spirit that permeates this whole new phenomenon. With that, I would like to apologize for my insinuations (in case you get a chance to read this). Let's put the nonsense behind us and concentrate on the future. Everything is possible when you're not afraid to ask for a little help.

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As long as they're aware of what's going on, I understand them focusing on other things now.

 

(Though if they stopped by and said hi that would be cool too)

 

Thanks, Chris.

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I want Sierra 2.0 like someone said and star trek holodeck with softporn adventure......But hey I’m all for you guys coming out of retirement this is by far the best year for adventure gamers and as for paul words I think he choose poorly since Jane started her own studio and they promote that in there videos and never has he said why didn’t you join us for sierra 2.0 so why attack two guys......and a girl and a pizza place…… hehe pun intended.

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