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Heh interesting. I would have thought Nemesis would have gotten a little more love than Insurrection. I'm fairly open-minded and enjoy all kinds of Trek. I don't mind it when it deviates from Roddenberry's original vision. There are pros and cons to all Treks. I thought the story was pretty good and the acting great. Definitely was more engaging to me than Insurrection. I don't know. I just thought it was well done. I do think First Contact, while good, is overrated and deviated more from TNG than any other movie.

According to their website http://www.hollywoodscifi.org they're doing things in a 3 step process. Starting small and working up.

Didn't like Insurrection, but I really liked Nemesis. If it helps this isn't Berman Trek.

Oooooooo

Only because it means you must give more because you bear the weight of knowing just how much more awesome this is than others might.

So, yeah. Back this because this needs to happen. It's the same group that saved the Enterprise D bridge a while back. They have big plans....plans too awesome to fail. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/newstarship/hollywood-sci-fi-science-fiction-museum

Just popping in here. I havent been following this thread closely (like I probably should). We let a lot of things fly on this forum, but I think the main thing is that we keep from offending eachother. I can see that borderline happening here with the bit of loose terminology being thrown around (PC Police) which is obviously not something any of us seem to be. I don't want to lock the thread (yet, unless it gets too heated) as it's an interesting topic and a lot of good points are being made here. On both sides. As long as we can keep it civil and appropriate I'd like to see discussion continue. If we can't then we may have to lock it up. Remember we're all SQ fans here! We may disagree on things (in fact it's guaranteed), but we all have common ground there. Let's remember that. The key to community is diversity AND mutual respect. Let's refrain from generalizing and using broad-sweeping terms for eachother, shall we? I'm out.

Isn't there something protecting fanart? Is there some kind of legal term for that?

Trying this soon!

Yeah, a lot of indie games don't have that problem at all. Some do, though.

Yep. Gameplay takes a backseat. It's the whole problem with the current mentality of adventure games.

True. Though I still believe there's an element of laziness to it as weel as it causes you to not bother exploring like you should sometimes. But yeah, mostly impatience.

Oooo everyone has been raving about the original and I grabbed it on GoG, but havent played it yet. Props for being involved, Frede!

Yeah. Zipping makes you lazy. Might as well play Jurassic Park. Running is good, though. Double clicking in Mage's will switch you to running to the location clicked on.

Hah I see the drop ship from Aliens too. How many times has that been featured in Space Quest? At least once in the SQ6 hangar bay. Love the Mallard there too. I simply love Mark's sci-fi art. Has that classic sci-fi vibe.

Yes, I agree.

That's true, but be careful. If you don't watch yourself you may find yourself with a game like Jurassic Park that omits walking entirely, which also prohibits freedom of exploration and that requires a bit of non-linearity, something narrative can't provide. I'm not one to completely follow narrative solely.

Awesome! Love this!

I basically agree with everything said thus far. I do want to clarify something, though. I never meant to say that the 50s were a golden perfect era. I said we have no idea because we weren't there...at least probably most of us. It's become a fad to hate on past generations, which I don't entirely understand. We wouldn't be where we are without them. Sure they had their problems, but it's not like we've got everything perfectly figured out right now. I'm not that fond of the 21st century so far, myself. We've got loads of problems rooted in bigotry all over the map that breed discrimination in some form or another to every minority (and majority for that matter, which means everybody is affected really) and it's only getting worse. People aren't learning to live and let live any more than they were 70 years ago (if indeed they weren't), it's just now with different issues. We've come a long way in some ways and there are a lot of good things in this world, but we just start falling behind in other ways. Some people call it progress just because we're years ahead of the game. I can't agree with that. Just because we've solved problems now that existed 70 years ago doesn't mean that we're doing everything better and it doesn't mean that everything done 70 years ago was wrong and that just because we're further along in history somehow means we have the right to say that we know better. Someone gets mad at somebody else for not "getting with the times", as if their view is already some universally accepted axiom (which is proven false because someone is obviously disagreeing with it) with no other possible explanation, even though they are accountable to nothing and nobody for it, which really frustrates me. And the only possible reactions to such heresy, if you will, that they can respond with is resentment, anger, hatred, and discrimination. See? They've become the very thing they hate instantly. The people who agree with it mostly do simply because the person saying it has a good argument and they just latch onto it, but they don't think for themselves because they don't want everybody looking down on them. Doesn't make it right. Self-reflection was mentioned. Something equally important is reflection and consideration of others for their possible alternative explanations which are also important because there are always alternatives. I'm not one for absolutes. That's being narrow-minded, if not downright closed-minded. Nobody is a mind reader. Nobody can claim they know exactly what others are thinking. Requesting clarification is what everybody should be doing, but they're not. I just find that a lot of people hop on the protest bandwagon too much and shout 'revolution' over things that aren't even issues (or wouldn't be if they just ignored them, which for most cases would solve the problem instantly) because everyone else is doing it. Just because it makes sense doesn't mean there isn't a good counter-argument and it doesn't make it right either. It's the same with abusing free speech. Of course I agree that just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. But whether it's abuse of free speech at the deliberate expense of others or ganging up on and calling something evil and destructive because it MIGHT send a different message than was ever intended, both are at fault. All of it in either case is rooted in a mentality of self-entitlement and self-importance which doesn't help any cause. Because then it's not really about the cause at all, it's about you and your pride. Has getting angry and shouting at a problem ever helped? More often than not it just encourages its growth, again because of self-entitlement. "You shouldn't do that because I think it's ruining society!" "Oh yeah? Well, I don't have to listen to you. I'm doing it anyway! How do you like that?" Again, I'm not saying anyone here is doing that, but that's always what these things lead to. It's human nature against itself. What's the point? Why bother? We're just creating more and more problems for future generations to learn from and solve and call us morons for. And I think the whole problem is because we think we're smarter than anyone that ever came before us, and that just makes us as bad as them. Well...a bit of a rant, but that's how I feel about it all. This wasn't directed to anybody here, I'm just venting I guess.

Can you be a little more specific about that, Purple?

Just for the record, I'm with Purple. Policital correctness can be the most dangerous form of bigotry out there and I'd advise peopel to be wary when courting its use. It's easy to fall into a holier-than-thou personality pit without realizing it, thinking that everything you're saying and doing is actually helping when in fact it's causing just as much damage. I'm not saying anybody here is doing that, by the way. But I see this everywhere. I do think you're being a bit unfair and excessive though, drslash. You're painting a lot of things with the same broad-stroke brush. Just because a storyline has a cliche valiant heroic prince and an equally cliche helpless princess that needs rescuing from a tower doesn't mean that the storyline is automatically "thou gaineth a woman". Not everyone considers female helplessness and male heroism to be sexist or objectifying and demeaning to women. A lot of women might, but a lot of women also don't. It's not all about male superiority at all. It may have been maliciously used to that extent sometimes, and maybe it still is somewhere somehow and that's unfortunate because I think most of these cases are taken grossly out of context. I still don't believe it has anything to do with objectifying women and over-glorifying men. Believing that every single use of this "trope" is born from such negative and low intentions is evidence of the same narrow-mindedness you're accusing them of having. Now, I'm all for variety and I'll be the first one to say that I hate cliches, but I also know that there's nothing wrong or destructive to society about them. If people like them (and people DO like them, men and women) they can enjoy them. Those that don't can look elsewhere. They can even make petitions for new kinds of stories. Variety IS the spice of life. But you don't need to attack the cliches or the cliche-lovers just for liking the mundane (or the "tried and true", as many would call it I'm sure. It's all about perspective). Sure, go after the people who ARE objectifying women and propagating inequality, but not everybody's doing it just because they like prince-saves-the-princess stories. It's not about "gaining a woman" anyway. That embellished and twisted description has always bothered me. It was always about finding true love, at least that's how I remember it as a kid. I don't know what was so wrong with the 1950s anyway. According to my grandmother it was the greatest time to live in. Not near as much crime as nowadays, everything was clean, everyone was friendly and happy. Moreso than today, anyway. Of course I wasn't there so what do I know.....what do any of us know? No offense, but it's also possible that some people are just too touchy and sensitive and are making mountains out of flat terrain. Not everybody has a problem with it. Just because a certain group of people do doesn't mean that everyone has to change their tastes and the things they enjoy for them. The mundane is popular because there's an audience for it. Deep down everybody still loves the rescue-the-woman "trope". That's why it's successful. That's why it's used so often. It's not indoctrination. At best it's pandering, and that's a whole other issue. But saying "we have too much of one thing and need more variety" is entirely different from saying "what exists is evil and needs to be replaced and anybody who enjoys it is contributing to a destructive society". This whole debate is remeniscent of violence in video games provoking school shootings and teen violence.

I feel your pain there. I've often wanted to start programming games. I understand how everything works, it's just gaining the knowledge and experience for efficient coding I need. But you need the graphics. Yeah, you can use placeholders, but that's no fun...

Interesting concept! A parser RPG....that would be neat.

I guess I just disagree that it has anything to do with female objectivity. From a child's or even family's point of view, that's not how it's viewed or presented. It's a love story. Self sacrifice for another. Yes it's unrealistic, but it's not about realism, it's fantasy. Not the fantasy of acquiring a woman who can't think for herself as a reward (this is a twisted fantasy from a mature perspective, not a child's), but a fantasy of a romatic story of true love. It's age-old, and yes probably cliche to some, but deep down that's what most everybody wants and that's why stories like it are still being made. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with variety either. I'm sure we can all agree that, opinions aside, it's not doing any damage and it's alright to let it continue to exist for those that enjoy it. KQ2+ did do a fantastic job with fleshing it out, though! I don't even consider it more mature like some do, just augmented. Like KQ6.

I enjoyed KQ2+ quite a lot. But a lot of others didn't at all because of the mature themes and because of the convolution of tying everything in the series together. A lot of people prefer it all separate. I can see their point, so I enjoy both. It's a legit view and there's nothing wrong with King's Quest's child fantasy approach. I love KQ5 more than KQ6 for that reason.